That is where there was any reference to source material at all. I can’t find Lierre Keith’s credentials. I love how you pointed out that while the author says our paleolithic ancestors didn’t eat grain, she fails to mention that they didn’t eat dairy either! You make statements like they are true just because YOU said them as if you are a big expert. "Agrarian cultures have survived for centuries" Maybe two. “natural selection doesn’t care what you eat”. The author brought up some interesting points and I even believe her about the devastation that agriculture has wrought on our ecosystem. And when I got my first b12 shot, my body absolutely did tingle. after eating “quick” carbs. Some of your statements about sat fat especially are troubling. Well written. 6- "At the very least, you’d have to digest and absorb it first!" Thank you again for responding …. For all Keith knows her mysterious illness could have come from one of the many diseases that factory farmed animal products spread. Author : Ex vegan, still needs understanding, Reviewed in the United States on August 21, 2017. Particularly “I’ll just deny it is relevant in any way to humans current dietary needs and ways of fulfilling them in ways that respect the ethical consideration of non-human animals.” Hear, hear! About the book, differently from Mrs. Messina I started…from the start and the first chapter contains intriguing argumentations about intensive agriculture. A percentage point is the unit for measuring differences between two percentages, so by calling this a 10 percent change, she obscures the fact that the numbers refer to percentages of the number of calories, rather than the total amount of fat. H. Erectus exhibits a smaller, less flared rib cage than his predecessors indicating a smaller gut size. If a vegan diet is hurting people, she should talk to all of the vegan athletes (elite and recreational) since they are pushing their bodies and nutrition to some extremes (ex. While it's a sad story, any malnourished diet (or many other factors) can lead to the same diseases, but yet she tries to pin it on veganism. 1- Evolution affects dietary needs. meat, tubers. The author here says that vegans who are not healthy are mostly that because they don’t take supplements. Enough. The real disgrace with any way of eating is the lack of sustainability of what we eat, whether it is meat, fruit, vegetables etc. Only if they`re lucky! And thanks so much for your comment that “there is no vegan diet.” You have gotten to the main problem of this book, as far as I am concerned. Thirty pages later she says it has fallen by 10%. I have removed "Vegetarian Myth in Feminist Review" as it is not an independent reliable source. I appreciate your comments but  your information is incorrect. ), I’m less able to evaluate her discussion of the environmental consequences of animal farming, although it seems reasonable to assume that she gets as much wrong in this section. So, if the post was not a fabrication, then maybe it come from a very young person who just doesn't know much about basic science or nutrition. I think far more research is needed before we can claim either lifestyle is better in terms of social, environmental, physical benefits. I read Keith’s book and found it to be well founded, well written, intellectually and emotionally honest and scientifically sound. Just to give a response, I do have read the Keith book like several others commenting I’m sure. I highly recommend the reading and review of The Perfect Health Diet. Agriculture, as practiced TODAY, is destructive to the environment. The standard kind of vegan diet has a lot of gluten, soy, corn – all major culprits in delayed food allergies. OK, if you're a vegan who's happy with your health, just walk away now. From reading her words, I get the impression that she was not eating a healthy diet. Veganism is a new variant on being omnivore. Yale University Press, 1999. She actually didn´t eat a vegan diet, as she said she binged on dairy and eggs every chance she got also she ate beef once a week.Therefore blaming a vegan diet, when she actually didn´t eat a vegan diet, is nonsense. Your gait will become odd, your legs will shake. It sounds like this woman just didn't eat a proper vegan diet and had a bad experience – no reason to write a book about it, rather one that condemns something that she simply does not really understand. Learn how your comment data is processed. Are they considered unfortunate necessities for food? Not too much. I won’t deny whatever your interpretation is of one or another “ancestral diet”. Hi Nikoux, As to Keith’s agricultural comments – having been organic grazing farmers for over 50 years – the animal v grass component in farming is both vital and real – the 2 are so intertwined that to separate them on moral grounds is outrageous to nature. The Vegetarian Myth: Food, Justice, and Sustainability: Keith, Lierre: 9781604860801: Books - Amazon.ca Compre o livro The Vegetarian Myth: Food, Justice, and Sustainability na Amazon.com.br: confira as ofertas para livros em inglês e importados 155. Otherwise, there is nothing in animal foods that you can’t get elsewhere. Maybe the high protein/fat intake is what made them smarter than their grain fed invaders who ruined this continent. I know this is an obvious suggestion, but you can look at the arguments Virginia Messina made in her interview. Lierre Kieth would be an example of that, Messina would not. So did my brother who was a vegetaring for 18 years. Lots of small, intense subcultures have cult-like elements, and veganism is no exception. I picked up the book at my friend’s house and skimmed through it. Call that advanced? This was one of the finest books written on the subject and this review one of the poorest. She was never vegan, as far as I know. I have to say that I haven't got past the moral vegetarians section yet. Mnnnnnnnnnn. Perhaps since you appear to be vegan (hence, vegan r.d.) A very worthwhile immersion." Did the researchers have any conflicts of interest? We all know that Organic agriculture has been proven to produce higher yields then conventional and also contains more nutrients. Flawed, but acceptable for those looking for an introduction to global health and the consequences of industrialization on food. Let's hope it doesn't take another twenty years before she realizes women are as perversely destructive as Men...perhaps more so. Except to say that she used to eat “all carbohydrates” (All? A frequent reviewer would never find time to do anything else. As you stated yourself in paragraph 3: "I read the section on nutrition first [since it’s my area of expertise]." At one point I was told I had been misdiagnosed and had no need to supplement B12. I'm an agronomist and I'm not convinced that food production is possible without animal waste. And the 2 pregnancies I saw from vegetarian Moms were just exceptionally difficult, the babies were eventually healthy, but both had to spend their first weeks and months in the NICU. I completely agree with this point. Oh god, I thought: this is what it feels like to be alive.”, This, more than anything, shows that Keith’s conviction about her need for meat has to do with something other than nutrition—because food just does not work like that. It's a 10 percentage point drop. People that respond as if the information contained threatens your worldview. And it is a moral trainwreck. An extremely interesting look at our food and how it's produced, Reviewed in the United States on June 27, 2018. Yes, to obtain data on their traditional diets its best to survey the elders. The problem with those who attack the vegan diet is that there is no vegan diet. Nature is a massive feedback control system that is only poorly understood. Long before I read Kith’s book, I frequently say that I was half dead and now feel alive once again, thanks to b12. Still I´m concerned by the fact that almost all the legumes and nuts I am eating are imported from far away. With regards to numerous comments about our “large” or “advanced” brain which evolved through eating meat, I would like to ask, “Are you serious? What utter nonsense. Lierre Keith is primarily an environmentalist not a nutritionist. I am a vegan and I am healthier and feel better than I ever have in my life compared to when I was an omnivore and a lacto-ovo vegetarian for that matter. (http://www.bountifulgardens.org/prodinfo.asp?number=BEA%2D0300) Understanding how we fit into the ecosystem and how we take from it and eventually feed back into it was one of the strong points of this book. The latter also is also laced with poisons. This is ultimately a sad book. But she wasn’t content to add a few animal products back to her diet. To me it sounds more like she had an eating disorder that just happened to include only plant foods. It's as if everyone was saying to me "Believe me, don't believe your lying eyes (and stomach)", Reviewed in the United States on September 2, 2020. 3. Vegans remind me of the crazy religious zealots that go out picketing at soldier’s funerals and the majority of them are young brainwashed children that have no idea what they are talking about. As for the issues arising from soil desalinzation and big agribusiness, I am not qualified to comment. So, gradually moved back to a paleo diet with almost nil sugars (so no fruit as well) – the diabetes disappeared. There is so much to say about this blog post. (For more on environmental questions associated with Polyface, I highly recommend Adam’s review of the Omnivore’s Dilemma.). Uh, cows eat grass? People with celiac disease often have reactions like delayed food allergies if they eat gluten after being gluten-free for awhile. In case someone hasn’t mentioned this already, Lierre Keith does mention what she ate as a vegan on KPFA 94.1 Radio on the 29th October 2010, when she states she “binged on eggs and dairy” every chance she got. One example of this is wheat. Stopped the grains entirely and added sat fats and did away with the soy, corn and canola oils. I acknowledge that this book has several problems. As for your warning to vegans that if we try to live on cow feed we will die. […], […] arguments in the past attempted to provide various justifications for eating meat, which were thoroughly analyzed, picked apart, and its scholarly failings highlighted. Why is it not enough for them to say, "it didn't work for me" and leave it at that? It’s the increased consumption of meat and dairy. I have not read this book myself (nor do I intend to) but it seems like a product many unreliable sources. The indigenous peoples here in NZ had chickens from south America. Breast milk – an animal product. In fact, in some parts of Asia, unfermented foods make up the bulk of soy intake. Surveying older people gives us a better idea of the role of soy in traditional diets. Well, I’m still a vegan but I’ll give Lierre an A for effort. What does our “ancestral diet” have to do with whether or not contemporary humans can thrive on a vegan diet? If this land was used for direct human food production, only a fraction of the land would be necessary. This is how we know how long a person has been dead – by measuring the elapsed victory of our enemies. I haven't done a good enough job of stopping by and telling you on a regular basis how much you have helped me in this first year as a vegan. Thanks so much for this review. She does think that those two goals align though. Her conclusion that being willing to kill innocent and defenseless beings is a marker of being grown-up……………well…..what a pitiable and demeaning notion. It doesn’t seem she is in a good mindset. Pierre Keith writes in this book, The Vegetarian Myth, about her journey from vegan to meat eater and what she has learned along the way. Literally. To me it sounds more like she had an eating disorder that just happened to include only plant foods. In any case, the whole value of being an expert is that Messina should have more familiarity with the research and can back up her claims. Now, where are the sentences in which you claim to be an expert in human motivation and intent? What is the worth of their lives versus the animals killed in civilization. The WIC programs generally choose the least expensive food items as well as the items that are most readily available. I saw that any attempt to follow any research she  was relying on would require much more effort that I was willing to expend. We are made to be omnivores. For dessert, I am eating dried mango and I am also drinking a glass of pinot noir. The really depressing scary parts of her book (of which there are many!) Eat what you want, but monitor your health. My point in this post was not to prove that veganism is the natural diet of all humankind–only to correct some psuedoscience that was being used to suggest that vegan diets aren’t healthy. I would be happy to hear your comments. I recommend this books to friends who are starting their journey to a healthier lifestyle. The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith is an intense discussion about health, food, and ecosystems. I agree. Whenever I want to get trustworthy information about a vegan diet, I pick up one of the books by Davis and Messina. Really? I know of raw vegans for whom the span is longer. Having said that, Keith is the sort who would say "a-HA!" Also what you don't get is that monoculture grain farming is supported not to feed vegans and vegetarians but food animals (cows, chickens, pigs etc). just wanted to give my story ,i used to consume all the horrible stuff a western diet offers and last year was diagnosed with diabetes, went on a vegan diet and even my doctor seems unsure about whether or not i am diabetic now, and also all other blood tests are normal now( they never used to be)plant based seems to be the right way for me. Do what you can, but you’re not saving the world, not while trillionaires own and dictate life globally. Thank you for the review. (I'd be interested to know what proportion of those added carbs come from soft drinks.) Other organic farmers use fish waste – taking those nutrients away from the sea where they could have helped feed the ocean ecosystems. In fact, we have no dietary need for either saturated fat or cholesterol—there is no RDA for either. And it was right. They deny or are ignorant of the fact that they kill millions of life forms with each breath and that their bodies are always at war with bacterial and viral attackers. Saturated Fatty Acids and Risk of Coronary Heart Disease: Modulation by Replacement Nutrients. Notably, she points out that ten acres on Polyface Farm can produce enough food to feed 9 people for a year. She addresses 3 different reasons why a person might become vegan/vegetarian and explains why all three have issues. http://gizmodo.com/5842774/new-study-suggests-we-really-are-what-we-eat The Vegetarian Myth Review Part 2 Political Vegetarians. 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